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girl, you're a dandelion ([personal profile] sarken) wrote in [community profile] 40772012-06-13 02:07 am

Comrades in Arms: Rehashing an old debate

I've been rewatching M*A*S*H yet again, and just last night I got to "Comrades in Arms," which is the episode where Hawkeye and Margaret go to the 8063rd to show them how to do an arterial transplant, but the 8063 has bugged out, so Hawkeye and Margaret end up taking shelter in an abandoned hut.

I've been in this fandom for ages, and one of the debates that came up time and again was related to this episode. So, I thought I'd bring in up here with a new group of people: do you think Hawkeye and Margaret had sex that night?

Or, you know, feel free to talk about any other of your "Comrades in Arms" feelings! I have many of them myself -- some of which you can see in this post about the second part of "Comrades in Arms" -- and would love to hear yours.
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[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2012-06-13 08:31 am (UTC)(link)
I think it could be interpreted either way, honestly. I think maybe it was intended to imply that they did, what with the fade to black and how they acted the next morning, plus the letter Margaret writes at the end, but given that they did wake up fully clothed I could see how someone might come to the conclusion that they just made out and held each other for comfort.

I know I, personally, initially assumed sex, and it wasn't until I joined fandom that I heard the other interpretation.
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[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2012-06-20 10:20 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, yeah, I totally agree, but I suppose one could make the argument that they could've had them be a little more ruffled, maybe had Hawkeye's shirt unbuttoned some, or something like that. I don't really object to that, or even to someone ignoring the out-of-universe context of it being 1970s family TV, because that kind of thing gets discounted all the time when it comes to subtext. It was never outright said, which makes it ambiguous enough that I'm not bothered by other interpretations.

Basically, if I were to randomly write a fic that referenced this scene, it'd probably mention or allude to them having had sex, but if I read a fic that referenced it and it only alluded to them kissing and holding each other, I wouldn't be thrown out of the story, all, "No, that's wrong!" Because, unequivocally, it's not. These kinds of scenes are what headcanon is for! :D
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[personal profile] subluxate 2012-06-13 08:31 am (UTC)(link)
Whenever I rewatch the series, I skip CIA, both parts. I just hate how out of character it is, especially for Margaret, and Hawkeye/Margaret is my anti-ship. CIA shows a good part of why.

I do think they slept together, as a comfort thing. The way Margaret was acting was a strong indicator. But I wish they hadn't. It threw her so very OOC, and I see them as much more close friends than as a remotely romantic relationship; Margaret is freer with Hawkeye than she is with guys she's canonically, textually interested in romantically (like when she keeps spooning sugar into his coffee, as opposed to how she is with, for instance, Scully or Donald), and for the course of CIA, that was destroyed.

Though when she slaps him is and forever will be amazing. Hawkeye does deserve to get his own sometimes for how he treats women.
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[personal profile] sarcasticsra 2012-06-13 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
See, you know I don't ship H/M, but I've never really seen CIA as OOC. I see it as a stressful situation leading to a weak moment with pretty predictably crappy consequences. They way they act in those eps always struck me as pretty understandable.

I tend to point to CIA as a big reason why I don't ship H/M, actually. It seems to me to state pretty definitively that they're just not compatible as anything more than friends.
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[personal profile] subluxate 2012-06-13 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
Self, if you're going to use "out of character" as you would for how Real People act when you're referring to characters, possibly add some actual rider that clarifies that.

It's a natural consequence, I agree, but it's highly atypical, probably because they're very much friends before that happens and, like you said, they're not compatible. They don't act like they do with other people, and that's a big part of why I said it's my anti-ship.